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| Topic Started: Aug 6 2008, 09:44 AM (149 Views) | |
| Jemila | Aug 6 2008, 09:44 AM Post #1 |
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...the price for sin, is sin still as issue? |
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| Amalthea | Aug 6 2008, 11:52 AM Post #2 |
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I'm not sure I'm going to word this right, but... Of course it is. We should still do what's right in the eyes of God. We can't just go on, sin, and say, "Oops, I did it again! But I'm covered." James 2:20-26 covers that, I believe. Edited by Amalthea, Aug 7 2008, 01:30 AM.
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| Sonworshiper | Aug 6 2008, 11:29 PM Post #3 |
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I find myself believing that sin is a relational issue for us, like Amalthea said -- we can't just go on sinning so that grace may abound. If sin hurts my relationship with God and I call myself a Christian, then sin is not ok. But sin has been paid for-- what that means to me is what John 3:16-21 says, that judgment no longer has to do with sin, but with whether we believe in the name of Jesus Christ. God made a provision for sin, and we choose to accept His provision, or attempt to provide for ourselves. |
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| yngmom4 | Aug 7 2008, 10:28 PM Post #4 |
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Exactly so...we can not live in a perpetual state of sin and call ourselves Christians. Of course, the problem lies in determining what length of time makes the sin perpetual. We are all growing on a daily basis, so some just may be growing more slowly than others. |
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| Amalthea | Aug 8 2008, 01:29 AM Post #5 |
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I know what you mean. An occasional slip is one thing; "slipping" every week, however... |
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| yngmom4 | Aug 9 2008, 10:20 PM Post #6 |
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Well, I think we have to be careful about defining a given time period. I mean some sins, if you repeat them every week would be a big deal, while others, being able to last a week might be a big thing. For example, committing s*xual sin once weekly would be considered unacceptable to most people but going a whole week without telling a single lie or cursing once would be considered a great feat to a lot of people. We have to be careful that we do not allow ourselves to judge others by a standard that we cannot meet ourselves. |
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| Amalthea | Aug 10 2008, 01:57 AM Post #7 |
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If you noticed, I had put the emphasis on "slipping". What I meant was, people who continue to do the same sin, pretty much without repentance. Yes, Jesus paid for us ultimately, but we're still supposed to play by the rules:
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| yngmom4 | Aug 10 2008, 10:40 PM Post #8 |
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I agree with that 100%. We should absolutely not be living in unrepentant sin for any period of time. I guess I meant more of the placing a time limit on how often a person can commit and repent of the same sin, which a lot of people try to do. I don't agree with that at all. |
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| Amalthea | Aug 11 2008, 01:54 AM Post #9 |
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I agree. There's also the people who say, "Well, it's not like I'm murdering someone, is it?" |
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| Jemila | Aug 11 2008, 09:35 AM Post #10 |
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This is new to me, I have never heard of anyone doing that before. |
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| Amalthea | Aug 11 2008, 09:39 AM Post #11 |
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I've heard people say, "Oh, it's been so long since I've done [enter sin here]; I'm sure it's OK." People are strange. A time limit on sin, repentance or forgiveness? |
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| Jemila | Aug 11 2008, 10:16 AM Post #12 |
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stop sinning repent and seek forgiveness ASAP People sure do make up lots of "gray" areas, don't they? The Bible is pretty clear: Should we go on sinning because Grace abounds? Certainly Not! Heavens No! I always took that as.... don't sin..... There are things I struggle with, but I don't put a time table on them. I ask God to help me not ever want to do them any more. He does. |
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| yngmom4 | Aug 13 2008, 11:16 AM Post #13 |
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Jemila, what I'm referring to is people who will say something like "oh, so-and-so can't be a Christian because he/she falls to (fill in the blank) temptation at least once every week" or once every day, or more than once a day, whatever the case may be. The point is I can't say that someone is not a Christian because they sin more often than I believe is acceptable because that's not my call. I smoked and drank (got drunk) and fell to s*xual temptation repeatedly for several years, and I don't doubt for one minute that I was saved the entire time. Disappointing my God and my Jesus, yes...but a Christian just the same. |
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| Amalthea | Aug 13 2008, 11:33 AM Post #14 |
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I guess it depends on how sincere the repentance is? I know some sins are harder to knock than others (I'm sure it's easier to stop stealing than to stop gossiping), but if the person isn't REALLY repentant...? This isn't coming out right, but do you see what I mean? |
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| yngmom4 | Aug 13 2008, 06:39 PM Post #15 |
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If a person is not really repentant, then they are not saved. No one can be saved and be unrepentant when they sin. That is a given; what is not determinable by a third party is a person's sincerity in repenting. You just don't know because that is something only God knows. The best we can do if we believe someone may be unrepentant is to confront them Biblically in an effort to determine whether or not they are repentant and then pray for them regardless of the answer. If a person in not repentant over sin, we need to pray that God will convict them of that sin. If they say they are repentant, and you think they're not, pray that God will give them a genuinely repentant spirit. It's just not right to accuse someone of faking repentance, though. God is the only one who knows for sure. |
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| Jemila | Aug 17 2008, 10:16 AM Post #16 |
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I agree. It's important as we grow in our walks with God, to seek Him for discernment in how He is working in people's lives. The more we know the Word, I think the easier it is to look and see God's fingerprints over every Believer. We are continually being perfected. |
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